I’m Hoshiar Seifi, born on 1968 in Marivan. I joined Mojahedin in 1989. I wanted to go abroad
I’m Hoshiar Seifi, born on 1968 in Marivan. I joined Mojahedin in 1989. I wanted to go abroad through Iraqi soil, when Ba’thist captured me and delivered me to the Organization. In 2000 we were quarantined and we were taught sabotage and terrorist trainings to perform in Iran. Then we entered Iran and we were fortunately captured in the first city on our way (Kurdistan) before operation. I’m Mir Qafur Seyedi, the son of Mir Hadi, born in Ardabil in 1968. I joined the Organization in 1989 and served it for 11 years. They prepared us for terrorist operation and I entered Iran in September 2000. I had come to Shar-e Ray for the purpose of firing mortars when I was arrested by the forces of Islamic republic of Iran. I’m Ma’soomeh Malek Seyed Abadi. At home, others call me Marjan. I was born in 1972 and I went to Netherlands (Holland) in 1995, and I was in Iraq also for 3 years. I had come to Iran for mortaring. I’m Hoora Shalchi. I was born in Tehran in 1972. I came to Iran early 1989 for mortaring and I returned to Iraq again. In September 1989 I came to Iran for mortaring again but I was detained when I was crossing the border. I’m Arash Sameti Pur born in Tehran in 1975. I finished high school course in Tehran and studied Metallurgical engineering for two years in Tehran and I went to Europe to continue education. I was the student of computer engineering in the U.S. In 1998 I joined Mojahedin and I could go to Iraq with the assistance of some people I knew. In Iraq, I learned different terrorist methods to perform in Iran and I came to Iran to assassinate two Iranian officials, but I was arrested by law enforcement and people while operating. When I learned that the time’s passing and I have no protection I used the opportunity and detonated a hand grenade to kill myself that led to the amputation of my hand and my leg was severely wounded. I was immediately taken to the hospital and after about 4 surgeries and medical problems I’m now in the presence of you. I’m Mohammed Qomi, born in Maraqeh in 1980. I joined Mojahedin in 1999 through one of its supporters in Iran. I came to Iran in September 2000 for mortaring and terrorist activities to Iran but I was arrested in Shahr-e Ray. I’m Ali Karimi Far born in Mamasani in 1977. I had decided to go abroad with one of my relatives in 1996 when I was captured by Iraqis and they delivered us to Mojahedin. After 3 years, they prepared me for terrorist operation in Iran and then I came to Tehran for mortaring in February 1999. There about mid-operation we fled because of people shouting and crying. After that we were sent to Iran to accomplish an operation in the same place. This time we were arrested after leaving Iraq. I’m Saeed Sangar from Piranshahr born in 1973. In 1998, I had decided to go abroad when one of my friends told me that I could go abroad by the help of Mojahedin and that’s how I joined Mojahedin. I was in Iraqi jail for 6 years; later, Iraqi intelligent office delivered me to Mojahedin Organization. In 2000, I was selected for mortaring in Sanandaj by a terrorist team, and I entered Iran in July 2000 and I was arrested at the same month. I’m Siroos Bagheri born in 1967. In 1989, I joined Mojahedin and I was taught military and terrorist trainings at first. In 2000, I was sent to Iran for terrorist operation and I was delivered to Iranian forces by my relatives. Correspondent: what was your motive for assassination? Arash Sameti Pur: “to answer your question I refer to the main motive of the Mojahedin for mortar attacks and assassinations in Iran. It’s necessary for me to bring a preface here to answer you. Look, if you look at the history of Mojahedin you see that it’s an organization without the ability to work politically. All the organization could do is summarized in assassination and in futile terrorist operations. Following this method, they want to get to power. This refers to the personality of Rajavi himself and his motives and desires. But it’s obvious that his are against the desires of Iranian people. Why? Because I believe that the age of guerilla war has finished. That is to say that these wars and their reasons go back to 60s and 70s. While each government and each advanced society holds elections and we see that free elections are held in Iran and are welcomed by Iranians and I myself, before joining Mojahedin and when living in the U.S., had access to the news about this via internet or local radios. The Organization assassinates to get scores, while the motives of all these assassinations are all blind. So what?!! So that it should have a military or political win for Mojahedin, while it’s a blind terrorist motive. And I myself didn’t know the ones I was supposed to kill until Mojahedin introduced them to me. I knew them only when I saw their information and their photos. For me, the cause of doing such a thing was direct order that had come by the Organization. And that’s how they convinced me that I should kill them and told me that you have a big duty in this regard. After we came and when operating we were arrested by people- by what I was told, in fact I expected people to support us – and I saw that the people captured us. These convincement and in fact Organization’s “thought work” had made me accept these assassinations. Correspondent: which country backed you to enter Iran and from which country did you get your weapons? Arash: shortly, my weapons were anti-tank (Bazhar) and a gun-shell called Tabuk that was made in Iraq and since they didn’t want the weapons to be recognized as Iraqi weapons they had scraped on the weapons. On the other hand, I entered Iran via Arvand River. I was accompanied by some Mojahedin members and some Iraqi intelligent agents. Their intelligent forces were involved in my border-crossing. In large scale, I’m sure that in all these terrorist trainings and these works there are the frame works of Iraqis. Because I witnessed their good relationship with Iraqis and I will explain it at a right time. As far as I’m concerned my weapons were Iraqi, my ammunition was Iraqi and for border-crossing Iraqi intelligent agents helped me. In all stages (from Baghdad to Basrah and while passing Arvand River) Iraqi forces escorted us. Of course, it’s obvious that I couldn’t make contact with them because I wasn’t allowed by my commanders to do so. But there were some high-ranking Mojahedin members that played the role of communicator and coordinator. Correspondent: we heard that the Organization has been gathering information for Iraqi army during Iran-Iraq war and after that, do you have more details? Is there anything special to explain? Mir Qafur Seyedi: yes, I was in the organization for 11 years and have witnessed many things. I was under the careful observation of organizations’ trafficking section that was done with the coordination of Iraqis specially ba’th party and intelligence. Spying during the war time was more than after war. Even the data for some missile attacks by Iraq were provided by Mojahedin members. Or when they wanted to attack Dezful with missiles- since Dezful had more martyrs in the war. Or they came to the fronts because they knew Persian language. They dressed like Iranian forces and came into the borders and gathered information. In some cases after war they got information for Iraqis. They came to border cities as native residents and stayed there for some days. They had 20 days or so to gather some information from Iran and return and deliver it to Iraqi forces. Thus, Iraq gave Mojahedin passages in the border to control the information they had and the teams trafficking. This was done by Iraqi intelligence. I saw them having come for observing. Iraqi battalion was stationed in Sharhani and we were also sent to the region; Organization’s leader and main cadres coordinated with the general of Iraqi battalion to observe with Rabbit Binoculars and “camera-120” which were very powerful. They identified all Iranian outlooks and then delivered all gathered information to Iraqis. Saeed Sangar: about the relationship between Iraq and the Organization, I have seen with my eyes that the Organization receives ammunition from Iraqi bases. So, in all Iraqi cities, while trafficking, Iraqi intelligent agents accompany them and escort them. For example about suspicious people around the bases, intelligent service arrests them, the organization asks them some questions and then translates the answers and give them to the service again. Another point I witnessed was that when I wanted to come to Iran for operation, they received from Mokhabarat (Iraqi security service) an air photo of Piranshahr city and showed it to us and explained everything for us and gave us complementary information. For example they said the position of the city, the stage when the photo was taken or other maps that was provided by Iraqi army system. Another point is that the Organization has a close relation with Estekhbarat (Iraqi intelligent service). All Mojahedin’s bases are protected by Iraqi’s and satellite outlooks there. Hoshiar Seifi: on this issue that Masoud Rajavi said in meetings: “we asked Iraqis why they don’t hit Iran by missiles; they said we want but we don’t have information.” We went and brought maps of Iran and its sensitive points and they started firing missiles on Iran. Then it’s obvious that Masoud Rajavi says in his meetings: “if we operate in Iran more accurately Iraqis will help us more and they’ll give us more equipments.” We operate because if we don’t and if we don’t cooperate with Iraqis we will be restricted and Iraq will give us fewest facilities. Thus, Rajavi sponsors such terror with the cooperation of Iraqis and Iraq benefits it. Iraq gets information from them and gives them equipments instead. That’s why they’re Iraq’s fifth column. Espionage and sabotage actions are from Baghdad and from Iraqi forces. Near the border, Iraqi forces show the border to Mojahedin and show them all passages and send the forces into Iran. Instead of the operation they solve all their problems. About training, facilities and sending forces to Iran, the relation of Saddam and Rajavi is completely clear. Hoora Shalchi: I want to say that the Organization is Iraq’s mercenary. What others said is true. All the trainings by Iraq were under the supervision of Iraqi generals even trainings for women such as military, strategic or basic trainings in which Iraqi generals come to teach the members first and all training books are translated to Persian. The trainings are confirmed under the supervision of Iraqis and from time to time Iraqis come and visit bases. In this regard, Iraqis and Mojahedin cooperate with each other very closely and Iraq gives it all facilities, specially weapons and ammunitions, a series of tanks and mortars. Mohammed Qomi: about the issue of Mojahedin being the mercenary of Iraq I should say that Masoud Rajavi in his meetings says that I was with landlord (meaning Saddam) yesterday or with Seyed al-raees (meaning Saddam again). I mean that they sit beside each other and talk and manage their work together. It shows that Rajavi is an ostentatious and Saddam asks the organization to do something for him and he draws the lines for the Organization. Other friends told about the orders of Saddam to Rajavi, such as the assassination of martyr Sayyad Shirazi and so on. Or their relationship and cooperation; when I went to Iraq the intelligent service arrested me and I was in jail for a month, then with their management coordinator of the organization came and took me to TabaTaba’ee base in Baghdad. Arash Sameti Pur: let me explain here, the Iranian prisoner in Iraqi jail is delivered to the Organization only by the coordination of the intelligent service. Now let me have a summary of this discussion: the Organization is a part of Iraq’s army. It’s obvious that its training, managing systems, weapons, ammunitions, and information and their guidance lines all come from Iraqis and we can’t separate them from Iraq. In fact we were Iraq’s fifth column; we were playing the role of terrorists acting against our country with assisting Iraqis. For instance, others talked about the assassination of martyr Sayyad Shirazi. Since I was there and I met others while patrolling, I should say that Iraqis’ happiness is hard to describe (when they heard the report of Sayyad Shirazi’s martyrdom). Because we saw this, we can talk about it. A simple of this issue is that the lines drawn by Iraqis for the Organization are advanced. Correspondent: how did they behave you that you learned these all in Iraq? Didn’t you know earlier that they’re working for Iraq government? Arash Sameti Pur: when somebody’s is inside a fraction, thinks as they think. In fact the Organization has the experience of 30 years of brainwashing and I like to talk about the systems of brain washing of the organization and the psychology that Rajavi performs on the members. Look, we are mostly youngsters and each of us has been there for 2 or 3 years and other friends here have undergone such a system. It is possible to study this system. I mean we should reveal what’s going and what’s happening to the human beings in Mojahedin bases. Most of the times on the internet or on their TV and radio they hold hot political and propagandistic discussions but they never talk about the realities and the ideological issues inside the organization. Now, I want my friends to talk about these issues. Mir Qafu Seyedi: If I want to explain completely, I should say that the relationship between Mojahedin and Iraqis is very close. They’re more equipped than Ba’th party and even intelligent agents of Iraq. I have seen many examples to tell you. For instance, once they wanted to change their equipments wholly. In 1994 Susan (Ozra Alavi Taleghani), the deputy of Masoud Rajavi, met an Iraqi general in Tajik Base and I was guarding Ozra personally. They were to hold meetings about providing the needs of Mojahedin. Before that Rajavi, Mehdi Abrishamchi and Abbas Davari met with Saddam Hussein, Tariq Aziz and others. Rajavi himself, in a public meeting, said: “I have met our friends and from now on they will give you whatever you want.” After these meetings it took about 3 months that Iraqi repairmen, officials and officers in Tajik Base to repair and renew the equipments, cars, weapons and etc. At least ten times, I myself went to transfer the prepared weapons from Tajik base to Ashraf base. Or other instances in 1995 during which I myself was the guard of ammunition trucks. We went to the big base of Mosul that had a large ammunition hut and we took 6 ammunition trucks from Iraqis. We brought the trucks and unloaded the cargo in Ashraf Base. Or all the protection that Iraqis have appointed for Mojahedin base (such as anti-aircraft or ground forces). And there are a number of Roland missiles and anti-aircrafts (23mm, 37mm, and 57mm) which all were Iraqis. The commander in charge of watching the traffic is from Iraqi intelligent service. The intelligent service controls all traffics and under the supervision of Iraq they’re free to go and come. They can travel inside the cities with their pistols, BKC, AK-47 and their military uniform. Another issue was the case of being mercenary of Saddam. It’s very clear because I was in the organization 11 years and I saw that they’re the fifth column of Iraq. Because during the Iraq-Iran war, they came to the borders; they fired RPG and returned back or they fired BKC and went back. Once in the meeting of 1995, Rajavi told us: “Iraq didn’t help us until we captured 3 Iranians and delivered them to Iraq. From then on they sent us 50 night-vision binoculars and Danish and American night glasses. We should go and perform more identification operations and bring information for Iraqis, and we should do greater operations and after that operation in Fakkeh Iraq gave us more equipment, namely 2 more bases and Mojahedin settled in there. After this they created the terrorist story in which Saddam was involved directly: sometimes after about 6 or 7 months a message came from Rajavi saying that the landlord has interfered and we can’t use Iraq-Iran border easily and if you perform a severe assassination he’ll certainly give us more equipments and we can penetrate in Iran more than ever. After the assassination of Mr. Sayyad Shirazi, Rajavi met Saddam, and Saddam gave them more equipments and he gave them a base in Basrah, two in Al-Amareh and some places in Jalula and Filagh. In Khales, they were given a big base and they were given more communication in their office center of Baghdad. In Abu Gharib, they have another place and some other places that we might not know. These facilities were given to us after the assassination of Mr.Sayyad Shirazi. Iraqis gave Mojahedin shares two times bigger than the shares of Ba’th party, such as food. In Iraq, where people have nothing to eat because of sanctions, Mojahedin were given sugar, clothing, flour, meat, building materials and so on. If I want to name the weapons, when they wanted to parade in 1991; Iraqis brought a number of T-55 tanks, 50 BMP-1, a number of MTL and IFA cars to Ashraf base, since they wanted to show their parade as large and splendid. They gave equipments to the organization, because wanted to use them. In 1994, when they wanted to perform the “phoenix” operation, they had most of Iraqis’ equipments. Iraq had designed two-part operational mortars. Iraq Mojahedin such mortars along with the training about how to use them. The training sessions were held in 1997 and under the supervision of Major Abu Ahmad Iraqi. After that they brought their own commanders for armored tactic trainings. Saddam chose six of his supreme officers directly. Brigadier Generals Abdul Karim and Foad Ali karim, colonel Jasem, colonel Neda and …. Correspondent: is there any list of the authorities, supposed to be assassinated, in the organization? If yes, is it ranked? Another question is that how much percent of you and other men and women were attracted to the financial aids of the organization and how much to the ideological aspects of it? And the third question: do organizational marriages still exist there or no? Arash Sameti Pur: about the list I should say that it’s done with the coordination of Iraqis and accessing the information about this is impossible for lower-ranking members. I mean, I myself, after passing the terrorist trainings, knew who my target was only at the final stage and they keep such things as secret, that is I can say nothing more. And about the percentage of ideological persons in the organization, when a new member joins the system, they put him under a special ideological discussion and I believe that it’s a complete brain washing system. And this system, I can say, is supported by Rajavi and a person, as soon as entering the organization, enters a series of trainings. There’s the discussion of relations of responsible and under-responsible, the discussion of not letting two people to have friendly relations, the discussion of divorce by which I think I can answer your third question. And there is the discussion of criticism and self-criticizing that’s been held everyday as the thought-investigatory court. The amount of our attraction to the ideology is a long system that works very strongly on people and they recruit forces by this. Basically this system is built on insult and humiliation. Namely, let’s go back to the Nazis’ camps of obligatory work. Another model of that is done by Rajavi. For Rajavi and the Organization, the members are always sinful and the organization is always innocent. To justify this, they force members to report what they dream of at nights and if somebody doesn’t do these he/she will be punished. In fact Rajavi is involved in a thought system. In large meetings, sometimes 1000 guys stand up and humiliate or criticize someone else. Now, this person in order not to be broken is forced to either resist or enter Rajavi’s system. That is, to accept the word of the Organization. So, accepting the words starts in the meetings of 4 to meetings with 1000 in which the member is crashed under their criticisms. For instance, some people stand up and insult him or humiliate him. If he resists, the meeting will end up with hitting him and we have cases with the names of people to prove what we say, some of them disappeared finally and we believe that they’re delivered to Iraqis. And when Mojahedin deliver them to Iraqis, say these are spies and infiltrators. Maybe they’ve died in Iraqi prisons. And it’s probable that the Organization itself has killed them. But, we know these people by their names; all friends here have seen them being erased by the organization. These guys stood against Rajavi and his ideology and they were finally erased by him. Now I ask my friends to go on. Correspondent: when you were in the organization, how often did they give the order of assassinations? Mir Qafur Seyedi: these assassinations were planned by Rajavi himself and were done by his main staff headquarters. Planning, map calculations and working on the information are done in their joint staff headquarters. When the order came, Rajavi held a meeting with commanders and made them promise to do a terrorist operation. This is ordered and then it is followed and observed by Nasrin (Mahvash Sepehri), one of Rajavi’s major deputies, and she prepares the forces and choose them for mortaring, assassinating and other things. Correspondent: how did they motivate you to assassinate your compatriots? Mir Qafur Seyedi: when we entered there, they showed us a series of propagandas against the Islamic republic regime and prisoners came and said that Iranian guards put out their cigars on prisoners’ bodies or they iron the bodies, they cut fingers or hands and so many other things. For instance, when I went there they told me that regime has arrested all your family and now they’re all in prison. They never let me write even a letter. I wrote 3 letters but they had torn them all. I couldn’t be in touch with my family. I had no phone calls. Thus, by this way they make a kind of hatred in people so that the member comes to revenge for his family. Once I came for mortaring. Ordinary people were not important for me anymore. In fact, it was Rajavi’s power-seeking target to be used politically by him. I should fire; it’s not important where it hits. They had changed us so that we always cherished hatred. They said those people who don’t help you are certainly from Basij, intelligent service or revolutionary guards and it’s better to clash with these kinds of people and kill them. They ordered this. Hoora Shalchi: I want to talk about divorce. About divorce, they said that the one who wants to enter the organization should divorce first of all. If somebody is married should divorce his/her mate and if is single he/she should divorce ideologically. We should vows and promises that we won’t marry again. In order to be accepted into the organization, one should give such promises. These are the conditions to enter. Then we reach a series of so-called ideological meetings and tapes. They convince the members one by one that divorce should be done, since marriage and family is against campaign and the one who wants to fight can never have a family at all. One should not speak about it and it shouldn’t be in his/her mind. Thinking about your wife or husband is the biggest sin. In fact, divorce is necessary for campaign. Correspondent: explain organizational marriages there. Hoora Shalchi: Organizational marriages don’t exist anymore. It’s now a long time that all have divorced! Ideological mass divorces. Arash Sameti Pur: Rajavi has forced all to divorce. As she (Shalchi) said they force married members to divorce. I am single but as soon as I entered the organization they forced me to promise that while I’m alive I don’t have the right to marry, and this happens to everyone there. Mir Qafur Seyedi: excuse me. Let me give an explanation about this. Marriage was obligatory before 1989. There were girls in the organization whose parents were killed, aged 14, 15, and 16. They gave these girls to those men, whose wives were killed in Mersad operation and were between 40 and 50. An obligatory divorce, a so-called ideological revolution, took place in higher ranks of the organization in 1989. In 1991, the obligatory divorce was performed among all members. A meeting was held by Rajavi in Ashraf base’s public hall with the presence of all married ones. Maryam Rajavi and Shahrzad Sadr stood next to Masoud. They brought a big tray. Those who had gold ring put it in the tray and delivered it. Man and woman stood in front of each other; man called his wife as “demon” and woman called her husband as “cursed”, and they slapped each other in order to hate each other and not to return to their homes again. All living places were turned to prison after 1991. Each married person who didn’t want to divorce was taken to these prisons and was jailed in there. Several public meetings were held by Masoud and Maryam in order to make all divorce their mates. Once I saw a man with her pregnant woman. Mojahedin said that he should go and deliver his child and return later. Somebody did it, but for now there is no sign of marriage and being married. They say that it’s our ideology and everyone who goes toward marriage they say he/she has sinned and no one should do this. Correspondent: did you have problems for using non-organizational news sources to get information from inside Iran? Mohammed Qomi: there’s a kind of propaganda movement inside the organization. No one is allowed to access any other radio or journal except theirs. Arash Sameti Pur: before I go to Iraq I had access to news of Iran by internet and other ways. But the organization has a complex method. As soon as I entered the organization in Iraq, the news we received was limited to a daily bulletin published by the organization, and organization’s TV with its analysis. As my friend said, we weren’t allowed to have radio there; there’s no newspaper whether Iranian or so. We were only limited to their own news which was based on their own analysis. That is if Rajavi gave us an analysis, the news we received later was exactly the same as his analysis or in a way to prove his analysis. They gave us the selected news. They censored those parts they didn’t want and the manipulated the parts they wanted to publish. We didn’t have access to a source to determine whether these issues are right or no. Correspondent: Excuse me, Mrs. Malek; do you know that in Mojahedin’s journal it’s been announced that you’re dead? Ma’soomeh Malek Seyed Abadi: yes, I have that volume. Correspondent: when were you arrested? Seyed Abadi: I was arrested in September 2000. Rajavi has made a martyr of me in his journal. Correspondent: what was your purpose coming to Iran? Seyed Abadi: I had come for mortaring. They have also printed the photos of my children to take advantage of maternal sentiments. Correspondent: where are your children now? Seyed Abadi: my children are now in Holland (Netherland). Correspondent: what about your husband? Seyed Abadi: my husband is in Iraq. Correspondent: are they Mojaheds? Seyed Abadi: yes, I have two daughters, one 12 year old and the other 6 year old. They benefited from my maternity. Correspondent: is it a long time you haven’t seen your children? Seyed Abadi: it’s 3 years that I haven’t seen my children. I was abroad for 6 years. I worked 3 years in Holland for the organization. I worked full time as financial-social of the organization. Correspondent: what does financial-social mean? Arash Sameti Pur: it means gathering money for the organization. Correspondent: do your children know your location now? Seyed Abadi: they sure know what has happened to me, Mojahedin will tell them because they want to change my children to soldiers who continue my way in the future. Correspondent: how do you feel about not seeing your children for years? Seyed Abadi: there was a limited situation in there and I couldn’t think about anything, I mean I was not allowed to think but now I just want my children to come back. I don’t know how much Mojahedin has control on my children; I wish to live with my husband and children. I was an ordinary person when I went to Netherlands. I wasn’t a political person and didn’t know the organization at all. When Netherlands’s government deported me and my husband on the issue of taking asylum, there were some exchanges in the camp and they introduced Mojahedin to me and asked me to go to Mojahedin. Correspondent: when did it happen? Seyed Abadi: I was deported in 1995 but they couldn’t deport me since I was pregnant. They said I should give birth to child and then leave the country. The organization took advantage of this, since neither was I a political person nor my husband. They worked on this issue so much. They worked first on my husband, and they first took my husband to the action and I was taken later due to my husband. Correspondent: didn’t you have relationship with your husband when you were in Iraq? Seyed Abadi: husbands and wives never see each other in there. It seems that I have divorced my husband but in hearts it’s not hidden. At least they see each other for a moment. Rajavi says this is ideological revolution, he says humans are unique jewels (ideological principles). This is not so. There, human beings are sinful because they become more complex. Correspondent: did the organization force you to leave your children and go to Iraq? Seyed Abadi: yes, first of all they plan and work on people and specially the take advantage of the members’ honesty. They use you for their own propagandas. For instance when I went to Iraq I heard from others that Mojahedin have printed my photos in the base and have said that “this is a woman who left and came here”, but I was not satisfied with it. They do this to attract others to the organization. At the time being a few people leave their children and come to Iraq. They work on propagandas in this way. They even didn’t do this on men. But since women are instrumental, in Rajavi’s system they do this to absorb more forces. But in fact women in so-called liberation army are not free they are behaved as slaves. Correspondent: I have a question, each one of you can answer. Have you seen Rajavi face to face? Seyed Abadi: yes, I myself saw him and even I asked him for operation. Correspondent: is he protected very carefully? Seyed Abadi: before meeting, the persons are inspected physically very carefully. He is protected but one can see him closely. Once he came to see me and we were very close to each other. Correspondent: is it a very important matter (seeing Rajavi closely)? Seyed Abadi: the control everything before. Arash Sameti Pur: it is not easy to nigh him since he is protected very much. As said before, they perform body inspection with an instrument. But sometimes he asks some people to go to him for making the member dependent to him. He says: “come and kiss my face”. And this is another tool of psychological system; he asks the member and orders to kiss him. By this he wants to attract the member toward himself. Correspondent: how is recruiting done in Europe? Seyed Abadi: in Europe they go to camps and take advantage of people’s honesty, it depends on honesty of people. If he is not informed about the Organization, he will be attracted immediately. They take him to a base and broadcast tapes for him to take more advantage of him. First, they send him to work in the streets for financial-social. I myself misused the honesty of people of Netherlands: once I said to them that my father’s been executed,

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